via Mugabe is not an African hero: SA survey | The Zimbabwean
The results of a recent survey of South Africans suggest that President Jacob Zuma’s statement on the Zimbabwean situation does not reflect the sentiments of the population of that country. Citizens of South Africa are almost unanimous in their conviction that Zanu (PF) did not achieve a landslide victory.
77% of the total sample maintain that Mugabe should be overthrown and face charges for crimes against humanity
Mugabe disempowered: 77% say YES
Robert Mugabe’s iconic relevance for the African continent was dismissed by a massive majority of 87% of respondents. More than two-thirds of the population would like to see him stripped of authority. In rebuttal of popular opinion, that Africans are not willing to dethrone their hero (Mugabe), the survey points to the contrary: 87% did not subscribe to the notion that Robert Mugabe is an African Hero. In the Black population segment, 85% dismissed the proposition that Mugabe is a hero.
77% of the total sample maintain he should be overthrown and face charges for crimes against humanity.
Commissioned by a European based NGO and conducted by an international market research agency, the online survey was done from August 5 – 9, and comprised 1,000 South African citizens, with quotas set on gender, age, ethnicity and region to reflect national representative dimensions.
Most South Africans doubt the credibility of AU and SADC, with 40% and 44% respectively, delivering a clear verdict of non-credibility with a further 50% (AU) and 41% (SADC) demonstrating uncertainty with ratings between 4 and 7 (ambivalence).
On the outcome of the Zimbabwean crisis, nearly everyone is expecting intervention from the region or the international community to defuse the situation. Only a small percentage anticipates a wider crisis or open protest, or harbour hopes for a peaceful cooperation of the opposition. 17% fear an escalation.
A large majority (66%) disagreed with Zuma’s statement to the press in which he extended his profound congratulations to Mugabe on his successful re-election and urged all parties to accept the outcome. Non-endorsement of the statement was particularly pronounced in the 30 – 39 and over 50 age segments. Black and Mixed-Race citizens were predominantly not in agreement – 63% and 70% respectively.
A striking 93% do not believe in the Zanu (PF) 61% landslide victory. This claim to electoral victory is particularly implausible for the over fifties (98%).
Asked what the best approach to resolve the crisis might be, most frequent suggestions were a re-run of elections (45%) or an investigation (45%); both courses of remedial action under the auspices of the international community.
Only 5% echoed Zuma’s advice that people accept the results and go back to daily life. On the question of what they thought might ultimately happen in Zimbabwe, a determining majority of 96% said they expect an outside body will intervene and mediate to resolve the crisis.
Whilst hopeful that international intervention could lead to a resolution, one in three was apprehensive about a developing crisis with destabilizing effects for the entire Southern African region.
COMMENTS
Who did they survey coz I never seen them or heard about your propaganda postings
How come you never post anything positive about president Mugabe
and does it matter if South Africans dont like him his not their leader
What matters is the vote results of the 31 of July 2013
And that’s recorded history not your above nonsense
You must do surveys in Zimbabwe about president Mugabe
For I care less most do not know him
And based on what they read not facts
Why would anyone say anything positive about a man who has so much blood on his hands. Forget politics, race and focus on the fact he inflicted genocide on people in Zimbabwe. Nothing else he has ever done can fix that. If you back Mugabe you back the right for people to murder without this being a negative, just something to be conveniently ignored….
That is the point. You have believed Mugabe is so bad to the extent you can no longer expert anything good from him. no-one is that bad. and on Mugabe you are wrong. There are good things the guy is doing. even though reforms were not that much, but at least he moved. let us celebrate the little that we have and move on
Collin Mackenzie, the survey sought to establish if Mugabe is viewed by South Africans as an African hero and in case u didn’t know it SA is indeed in Africa anf guess what? In that part of the world they happen to know who he is – a murderer and serial election thief. They know about gukurahundi.
They know because Mugabe’s incompetence has resulted in their country being flooded by an estimated 3 million Zimbabwean economic refugees. What an indictment for your hero Collin. Hurling insults will not change reality.
Call a murderer or what, He is our Hero as Zimbabweans. We voted him in 1980 and will continue to vote for him ever. Who is not a murderer. If the magic of luring people to vote for somebody is making them suffer by calling for sanctions and calling S.A to cut elecricity then you tell me that this is not murder then you are not O.K in your mind. Tswangirayi has caused people to suffer and he turns around and say its ZANU p.F. You know what Zimbabweans are inteligent and would not saccumb to disception of this kind. Shame on you suppressors of humanity.
Naome, in my dictionary a murderer is a person who murders people. What do you call them? Heroes? Or do you not know that he has murdered many many? If you chose to be blind, you will invariably lose your eye-sight and then you will not have the choice to see (what is clearly visible)
Dear Collin,
No, we don’t do that! “Insult” is not the way civilized pple work. By the way, what for? Haters always do it to themselves!
Africah
Shut up you liberal asshole, have you ever been to Zimbabwe, you tosser!
@Zimsiterep
Your survey is a shame and a half, and you are no less.
RSA has a population of over 30 million living people and counting-plus over 4 million Zimbabwean immigrants. Yet you have the inebriated audecity to poll the opinions of just 1000 people and rush to the moon about it?
If you are an accomplished researcher you should adress fundamental research issues like whether to sample or to survey,sample validity,sample size, sampling method, projecting the sample error and so forth.
First, you claim to have conducted a ‘survey’. Now, ain’t that silly because a survey polls every population member without sampling?
Second, your sample size is 0.0033% of RSA’s total 30 million population. Research theroy insists an acceptible sample size should be 10%or more of the total population inorder for results thereof to gain acceptibility. Ain’t your research findings a common fraud?
Third,you don’t say which categories of persons you brought into the sample for sample validity to obtain. The genetic make up of your sample is suspect because it only leans on two population blocks ;blacks and whites yet is that all mr Researcher? RSA is a multi-racial, lingual,political,creed,and coloured nation comprising of Boers, Ex-Rhodies, Khoi-Sans, ANC members, political leftists and rightists,Azanians,Dzimbahwe Diasporans and so forth, each of these folks’s opinions matters.Did you address that? Pathetic Unschooled,article.
Fourth,you did’nt say how you brought the respondents into the sample for study. Is the independence of the respondent guaranteed by use of scientific selection methods such as random sampline or you chose to handpick your victims-a few poor sodding blacks here, white pigment there- and coach them what to say under the muzzle of a gun or else.Mebbie you danfled the carrot before them. YOu are a bribe and a drunk Mr reseracher sir-your judgement cannotbe relied on, neithre should your works be taken seriously by any schooled, right minded man on mama earth.
5th: At least you should have extended the readership the professional courtessy of projecting your sample errors to the entire RSA population inorder for us to grasp the national picture before you start using high-flying words like 47% of South African Blacks disapprove of Mugabe and so forth.For a start, you did not delimit the total sub-category of black South Africans i.e how many are they all-for us to accept your findings. Just for the sake of argument,say they are 3/4 of 30mill, that should be 22.5 million black RSA right? So projecting your sample error, 47% of 1000=470 folks-which is 0,0020% of Black South Africans. So in essence from your research, you are saying o,0020% of Black South Africans don’t like Bob.Now, what is that? Ain’t that a shame and a half?
Honestly speaking, the readership does not like half-done jobs capped by lies at the behest of a self styled yet,unschooled research body hired by nefarious NGOs. The readership is educated and deslikes sholary frauds.
Opinion poll or not,like or hate, Robert Garbriel Mugabe stands for what is right for indegene Dzimbahwe discendents. So who cares what you and your drunks think?
In short, Mr Researcher sir, kindly go hang. We will attend your funeral, and give you an honourary send of to Valhala
actually, it is neither necessary nor possible to sample all 60 million people in SA. a thousand in can be extrapolated from to then generalise. that is what surveys do.
Exactly that is the reason why it should not be called a survey!Once you use the word ‘survey’, you mislead people into believing the poll was on a wide scale comenurate with a population census. Call a sample a sample, not a survey. Again, to extrapolate the results of an opinion poll of 1000 people whose composition is not adeqautely detailed to represent the RSA population xristics is fraudulent. 1000 over 60 million = 0,0016 %. That is not a sample size representative enough to gain general acceptibility hence represent RSA. Also don’t forget most of the ex-Rhodesian Selous scout mercenery army emigrated to RSA. What is the researcher polled opinions from this sample alone?
What you areadvocating for is called ‘research fraud’
collin mackenzie, what an idiot. your name should be collin macstupid
Your survey is against the truth….the black family around the world loves the liberator…
Colin, perhaps its time to move on. There are other places to find pro mugabe propaganda so we need sources like this that lean in the other direction. I mean the website is zimbabwe SITUATION which implies there is a problem.
The positives from Mugabe’s legacy are being increasingly overshadowed by recent history. If Mandela was still president I imagine his legacy would be deteriorating.
The survey has some validity because the opinion of SA and SADC is important to zanupf in legitimizing the election… which directly relates to south african people.
I believe the opinion of the mzanzi people is crucial to zuma especially in view of the coming election. If the mzanzi people do actually have such a low opinion as per survay and start to believe that by virtue of him supporting mugabe he is another bob in the making it will affect him adversely in next year elections. Maonero
Tawanda I believe you are born free
You so right its Zimbabwe situation not Zimbabwe propaganda my son
This site this meant for us to differ in order to find a common ground because we all love Zimbabwe
What I have picked here this seems to be MDC ,White bitter Rodies and the western force and its a pity and oh Nebelele’s being driven by whites and forgetting the dissidents that killed burt and buried alive our loved ones
Even cut their ears out
Who is talking about that dissidents ran amoke in Zimbabwe in the 1980s
Tawanda u have a nice name I hope as black as im had a name like yours and not a colonialist name
Tawanda the more we are the more share different views for the better of Zimbabwe.
We all just can not agree and support nonsensical postings that are posted to dived Zimbabweans.
Yes I agree one tv channel is not right and so are may other things and let us focus on that no matter what for the interest of the mother land the more you post negative posts that are not contrastive I will not shut up
Buti how will the survey done in South Africa benefit Sadc and the AU come on dude
The voice of Zimbabweans is what matters that is now regime change you people from the zoo to talk about the animals in the wild
What a joke
Black South Africans here are on a boiling point go to Cape Town black people are really on the sidelines
And guess what Morgan has three massive mansions
So you think First TV is a TV station ran from a home in Ranburg South Africa by who guess who need I say more because the propaganda is just too much.
We have seen this before. Those who think that Sout Africa is a European country will soon have a rude awakening when the majority Africans in that country rise up to demand the same land reform and economic empowerment of the majority – Mugabe style. In fact, President Mugabe is more popular in South Africa than Zuma and all South Africans look up to President Mugabe to spearherd land reform there as well as indeginisation and very soon President Mugabe will oblige them by speaking in favour of land acquisition and distribution of wealth in South Africa. These dogs never learn. President Mugabe won resoundingly in the recent elections despite their spirited propaganda. We are going to celebrate President Mugabe’s inauguration soon and we will continue to implement the policies that won the election.
Many people talk about land distribution as a source of wealth, this is totally a sham. What country that is industrialized relies of agriculture as their main export. I am a young man that is not interested in working on the land and non of my pers are too. They only work the land out of necessity not out of choice. Kenya has realized this and is now a terchnology leader on the continent. They introduced mobile to mobile money transfer and are working on revolutionary ideas in the use of mobile phones for health provision.
Potholes for progress is not a slogan I want my country to have. It is a shame when old men think they are goods gift to the people of Zimbabwe. Remember you cant teach an old dog new tricks. Like the dinosaurs, these former liberation icons will die out and unlike the dinosaurs they will never be talked about, only whispered about like a bad case of an STD.
@ Light – Should we say Darkness?
Those who have been properly schooled will tell you of the pillars of the competitiveness of nations. Ask Micheal Porter first. One such is factor endowments-includes resources mfanekhaya-physical, human, technological.e.t.c. Land is the honly reasource that you can;t reproduce-and it has all the essence of production: minerals,agriculture, even space to start businesses. The reason why the west colonised the lands of other harpless folks was becoz they ran outa space to establish industries, to mine raw materials, and to farm-otherwise why do you think they still hang around hoping for a return of them farms? And why does USA’s foreign policy indirectly promote the invassion of far-away lands, including the middle east and Asia? Simple” Factor endowments. Industrialised nations that you refer to, don’t know where you got that, also need land my dear. Kenya that you say established virtual banking networks-I am sure you have sufficient depth, but to bank money from what activity? Even those network phones require silicon and cobalt from the DRC, or from our recently discovered Bikita Kimberlites. You own the lane, you own the means to production. technology is just one factor endowment that any nation can create, including Zimbo. now, plus land, you become an acomplished nation ready to compete in the world. You don’t just need land top farm mfanekhaya. How so dull and disappointing. Do you sleep in the ocean? Is your workplace on a boat?Do you fly like a bird?Are you creameted upon death?
If it means hiring a cordless drill to burrow sense into your head, so be it. Our land is our life.If you miss the connection, tough luck
The market researchers did not report much that was positive about Mugabe because the 1,000 South Africans, including 798 black Africans who replied to the survey did not say much that was positive about Mugabe.
However, the data do show that only 87% of people thought Mugabe was not an African hero. So presumably, apart from the people who didn’t reply or said they didn’t know, there must be a small number of people who do think he is a hero.
Also, only 93% of people thought that the Zanu PF landslide victory was completely rigged. So presumably, after the ‘don’t knows’ and spoiled votes were counted, there must again be a few people who thought they really won the election.
So I think Collin needs to acknowledge that SOME positive responses about Mugabe are in this survey data, even if the numbers are very small by comparison with the extremely negative views about Mugabe that most people have.
The reason why it matters what these people think is that President Zuma of South Africa is still mediating for the SADC, so he has a lot of power which could be used regionally over Zimbabwe and Mugabe if Zuma was pressured to do so.
If South Africa and the SADC regional countries decide to be ‘difficult’ with Zimbabwe they could literally shut the country down within a short time because Zimbabwe is landlocked. So it is very important what South Africans say and think.
As regards surveys on Zimbabwean opinion, there is plenty of survey data from Zimbabweans already available from AfroBarometer, which is an independent African-led research organisation.
http://www.afrobarometer.org/
Afrobarometer data shows that the July 31st Zimbabean election results were likely to have been incorrect because people were too frightened to vote truthfully.
In addition to the rigging carried out in these elections, Afrobarometer has reminded us of their report on Voter Intimidation in Zimbabwe from data collected in 2012:
https://twitter.com/afrobarometer/status/366612362846941184/photo/1
This shows that, IN ADDITION to the omission of around one million Zimbabwean voters, inclusion of dead and over-age voters, multiple duplicate names, intimidation of rural voters, problems with ink being erased, dodgy ballot papers, people being bused in to vote several times, unequal coverage by the media, omission of the 2-4 million diaspora voting population, wrongful timing of the election and lack of timely provision of the voters roll, the Zimbabwean voting population was ALSO significantly more fearful of political intimidation and violence by the ruling party than any other regional country in the SADC area. Afrobarometer’s contact details and data are available on the web here:
Afrobarometer
@afrobarometer
RT @chavulaj: @afrobarometer share this study please. Will post on web. Zimbabwe data 2012. Voter intimidation data: pic.twitter.com/YIEgQbjvHJ
https://twitter.com/afrobarometer/status/366612362846941184
I can understand that some people want to believe well of Mugabe and want to believe the results of the 31st July elections, but it is important to realise how wrong these elections were and to begin to recognise that there are many greater, real African heroes that we need to listen to and respect instead of Mugabe.
There are heroes walking amongst us all the time who have their own dignity and truth. They do not need to steal elections or rig votes, they do not kill and torture people, steal, cheat and lie. They are not so greedy that they have to grab all the power, all the diamonds and stay in office for ever. These are the real everyday famous and ordinary African heroes.
So perhaps that is why the survey results are so negative: Mugabe simply does not inspire people like these heroes do, because his behaviour is so greedy, so cruel, ruthless and selfish, so fanatically self-centred, vicious, authoritarian and cold, that people are just fed up. He’s a vile dictator, as Mutsa Murenje wrote in this report last year:
“I only turned 29 yesterday and it is quite painful to come to terms with the fact that my beloved country has been ruled by one man, Robert Mugabe, during the last 32 years. The man doesn’t believe in democracy and is a ruthless dictator.
As the late Masipula Sithole observed, authoritarianism is a pathology against which humanity has a tendency to always rebel. Mugabe, in my honest opinion, is nothing but a demagogue and tyrant at heart, the greatest egotist in Christendom.
Wherever he goes, whatever he does, Mugabe shows but one characteristic-that of a blustering, insolent, unscrupulous demagogue. Mugabe is no doubt a petty-minded dictator obsessed with a vision of eternal rule.
Because he has ruled the country for the past 32 years without power changing hands, I believe Mugabe has completely run out of ideas and has no vision of the future since he has been programmed to always think of the past-the protracted liberation struggle.
His campaigns are never about the present or the future. Instead, they are always about the past. Consequently, we have fallen behind compared to other countries that used to look up to us with awe and admiration. For this reason, I believe in the primacy of democracy.
Democracy is fundamentally important in that it helps us to rebuild our future which has a long-term beneficial effect on society as a whole. Mugabe must be replaced if we are to move forward as a country. And whoever is replacing Mugabe should bear in mind the fact that leadership is more than just vision.
Rather, it is a combination of courage, determination, commitment, character and the ability to get others willing to be guided by you. Our main problem is that we have tolerated Mugabe for too long.”
Reports above available on the web with grateful thanks to Afrobarometer and Mutsa Murenje:
http://nehandaradio.com/2012/07/15/my-experience-with-mugabes-dictatorship/
https://twitter.com/afrobarometer/status/366612362846941184
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Thank you very much for that accurate description of our dictator. The most cruel, calculating despot that has ever lived in our country.You say he is not looking in to the future, why would he,he is almost 90years old.There would only be a future if he had one,in fact I dont think this man is a Zimbabwean.MUNHU UYU MUBWIDI HAMA YA BANDA.
i have noticed the lack of reality in the zanu supporters,they are calling the mdc bad losers ,they are forcing people out of their homes.they are threatening people not to report election fraud.my answer to them is you will soon see who voted willingly for zanu and mugabe.when the civil war zanu is creating begins.
God iz great,old heroes like bob will last longer.in ndebele we say in ndlela ibuzwa kwabaphambili.never mind abt someone’s edge coz you will also get old provided you obey god like bob does.
U. Don’t know the importance of your land and you want someone coming from another continent to rule you,because you are lazy you don’t know your will.don’t think we’re like you even though we are here in south Africa it is our right to support the president we want,that’s why we choose president Mugabe.your survey is nothing to us because all south Africans they are not Zimbabweans.so it’s none of our business to know that ,they love who they don’t love who .the day shall come when the real south Africans demands their land and knowing the importance of their land.only lazy people they are the ones who wants to depends on Europeans to be used as condoms sorry not in Zimbabwe what rubbish is that to talk about engineering violence in Zimbabwe.go to hell with your intervention and because you are not African.stop all your nonsense with your western allies to hell.you Paul what do you know about president Mugabe what blood are you talking about you are a spoon feeded guy you just know to open your big mouth and plant nonsense go to hell.don’t think if you hate president Mugabe we hate him also it’s a big no
Brian, Zimbabweans have been fed by the West since 2000. Before then we were food exporters. Subsistence farming doesn’t develop a nation hence Zimbabwe is retrogressing while other countries are moving forward. Insulting people who do not share your views will not change the fact that mugabe is a dictator, electoral thief, torturer, and murderer. He has failed the country.
I do not get why everyone overlooks the part about sanctions?? Am not racist but one thing I know is do not expect these western hero’s, Democrats what have you to have our best interests at heart. Currently am in windhoek and this country feels like a colonised country the way the blacks feel inferior to the whites and hold on to their tribalism (a result of conolism) is amazing. Shocking in in fact. Il admit our country has problems what country doesn’t. But do not forget why it all started giving back the land to its rightful owners. Even in the Bible moses’ people had to claim caanan through fighting.
Saka uri kuiteyi ku South Africa. Go home and till the land.
What the hake. If you like him thats your own retaded business. Zimbabwe shouldn’t what it is today. Come on face reality, how the odinary population be fed with one Tv station in this time and age. Look at Kenya forget about South Africa because we cant even compare they are ages ahead of us. Whatever yu might say and think with your retaded brain Zimbabwe needs a facelift. Its so embarasing even though people like you live in the kingdom of lies that we can compare ourselves to SA. Its dispeakable that these peasent farmers can produce enouch food for the country
Hwese some of us in Zimbabwe are so proud of President Mugabe that’s why we voted for him.South Africans opinion remains their opinion and they are entitled to it.There is much more to freedom than one channel television you are blabbering about,there is more to freedom than having a breakfast with eggs.Emancipate your mental slavery none but yourself can free your mind.Its high time we Africans pursue our own destiny,the time has passed whereby we used to thnk of whites as the superior race or maybe you are like rip van winkle a small American who slept for a century and by the time he woke up all things had changed.Wake up buddy in 2008 we voted morgan but this time i voted RG bcz of the values and ideologies he has.The land is ours the minerals are ours.Hw many times have you watched in awe the streets of london and was left green with envy.Those beauties are being made by our resources our manpower whilst we are left with a dime that comes our way and i promise you one day the people of South Africa will wake up from their slumber and demand what is rightfully theirs.Whether you like it or not Mugabe will remain a hero and even if he dies today they are young mugabes who are prepared to take the revolution forward.Aluta Continua Abasha neo colonialism.
So the minerals are ours but I would like to know from you EMMAN how much of it you have seen.Why do you not post a picture for us all to see your new benz, your house in b/dale and photos of your children walking out the gate of a college in Hong Kong.The cheapest commodity on the market today is (hudofo,kupusa)People who sleep with their eyes open thats you.
Thank you. For those words. I do not understand why people fail to understand what the real struggle is!!! It’s a shame and it’s sad. How closed minded we are as Africans. History often repeats itself. If they could export us for cheap labour destroy our culture and heritage colonise us makes us inferior to them. What makes you all so sure they have our best interests at heart? It’s amazing how their input is valued, but asks yourselves have we ever interfered in their misdemeanours? It’s time to wake up Africa!!!!
I would prefer real African voices in Africa and to hell with those who still believe in white supremacy why do we hate ourselves so much as Africans?
The survey states that 47% of black South Africans wholeheartedly agree with Zuma. And don’t be surprised if that 47% makes up the Zulus, Xhosas, and other folks most likely to commit xenophobic (ironically, they sure don’t fear us) attacks. That is an awfully large number, given blacks make up about 4/5ths of the population. Sure, the 53% SAID they don’t like Mugabe, they sure WON’T do jack to stop the 47% from giving foreigners burning rubber “necklaces”, thus making them agree indirectly with Zuma.
You cannot get reliable results from quantitative rubbish like surveys.
How can one be a hero in anyones eyes when one has a decades long track record of failure? If one is incapable of taking full resposibility for the dire situation Zimbabwe finds itself in. Do you think shunting that burden to other nations, whose leaders are indeed better men than yourself, makes you a leader or a hero? You are a looser who does not know his job description. A none entity mindlessly hogging the national stage. Why would one cling to power when incompetent and unable to change the countries fortunes or the livelihood of Zimbabwean citizens, to the extent of rigging the elections? Decent people, genuine heroes and Zimbabwean patriots can not wait to be rid of this foul presence.
What was the purpose of doing a survey about Robert Mugabe in the white surbabs of South Africa. I have read someone say “I am a young man that is not interested in working on the land and non of my pers are too”. Anyone who has brain would agree with me that Land is the prime means of production. Whether you are farming, fishing, whatever, and whether you are young, old, you are nothing without land. Hence we in Zimbabwe want to be the owners of our land.
Question: If land is not important why are these whites so scared each time the land question is talked about??? Dont fool us. Without land you are nothing and we know it.
You think the whites want to stick to land becuse ” They are worried about food security?? No, it because they know without the land they are nothing. And they will paint Malema or anyone who talks about fair land ownership with a the worst colour ever.
Yes you say Zimbabwe could be better if the land was not distributes: Obviously that is very misinformed. Zimbabweans (I mean Zimbabweans, not 0.1% white Rhodesians leaving in Zimbabwe) are far much better off than they were before the land reform. Its only a few losers that ran awy from a legitimate revolution, who today see that they never did better than the people that remained thorugh the revolution and are now enjoying the fruits of being the owner of oneself. These are the Zimbabweans that write rubbish about the land reform and Mugabe.
1. Land being the most important resource, the settlements for land have never been done by pen and paper. give me an example where land owners have just given up over the table. In South Africa they managed to use the constitution to protect the few landholders. But I bet my life, that is very temporary. Either the majotiry will rise, or the few owning the land will dig deeper.
2. Those who know the importance of owning land will demonise people who advocate for fair distribution of land.
3. Massive landownership changes will always come with blood. You dont fight for land you wont own it.
4. Land ownership will always be dynamic. The most powerful owns most of the land. Thats why America is fighting 24/7, 365. They want to control land. and from land life comes.
want to ask my young person. do you understand why Zimbaweans are better off now than they were before 2000? Richness is not measured by driving man cars, having so much food on the table, having all the excesses. No, being your own person can be richer than all that. Zimbabwe is much richer now than it ever was. And Zimbabwe will continue to lead the way
But here is the thing, Chims. The whites could care less about the land because of all the foreign investments they made from the fruits of the land. They are bum-hurt because they tried to cash in on the willing-buyer, willing-seller clause and lost the means to make some serious pocket change when circumstances hanged in the late 1990s.
If the white farmers were smart, they could have picked up on various clues which were there since 1980, as well as nationalist campaigns conducted in other African countries prior to the 1990s, and offer the lowest possible prices for “their” massive estates. Anything to avoid the inevitable scenario of “their” land being forcibly seized. And we’re talking SQUARE KILOMETRES of otherwise unused farmland here.
Really, how could the white farmers, who hail from a race that brags shamelessly about being intellectually superior to blacks NOT see something like the land reform programme coming?
Zimbabwe has become the focal point of all that is evil – murder, torture, rape, greed and the deprivation of basic human rights. A repulsive bundle of negatives. Whoever supports this unelected government is advertently or inadvertently giving their stamp of approval for such atrocities to continue.
Hero? A comparative survey on other dictators might be more in keeping or the lack of empathy – ‘the most telling narcissistic trait’.
Faith you are so much misinformed. I doubet you really know Zimbabwe at all. It is probably the most peaceful contry inthe world. Yes pictures are painted about Zimbabwe, but dont lie. Zimabwe is by far the most peacefu;l country. Dont just take what people say, write about this beautiful country. They envy us, and they want to be part of us, but they are too arrogant to come and live with us, not ON US. Be careful. There is very huge interest in going to Zimbabwe among the very white communities in RSA, Aus, UK, and evrywhere. Why go to a devil country. They know its the best country to be even now. They just cant swallow that if they go now they will have to live like an other Zimbabwean. Dont be fooled.
I’m white and from the UK, and have no interest in going to Zimbabwe, and to be honest I have never heard anybody in the UK, Australia, mainland Europe, the USA, South East Asia and a few places in South America, say they are interested in going to Zimbabwe. If you could sort out your political problems, perhaps start even prosecuting those involved in the murder and theft propogated and championed by the Zanu-PF government, then this situation would be different. But this is unlikely, because you live in support of the thieving murdering racist scumbag that is Robert Mugabe and his repulsive political party, wearing designer suits from Saville Row and parading that vile whore of a wife in Jimmy Choos while lamenting “a British conspiracy with American backing” or whatever else his dementia imagines today. I, like most UK citizens, am working class, and sick of the amount of refugees we have to take and then get told by the middle classes we are not allowed to complain about it. I wont blame people for wanting to escape persecution, but I will blame Mugabe for forcing his citizens to try and seek out a better quality of life. I wish the pro zanu-pf prats that have written on this page could just understand, Zanu is an absolute joke, I mean who remembers the Diesel N’anga story? Or the “serious chemical biological attack by British” that turned out to be Cholera? And you look up to these guys????? Incapable of even mending potholes and now pretends that by stealing as much as it can the situation will improve. If you can actually look me in the eye and say Mugabe didn’t steal this election, with the sheer amount of irregularities, a completely partisan police/army/electoral commission/judges/state media/youth militia then you have either been paid to say that or you are clinically brain dead.
@Brian
Haiwawo, iwe mubhunu iwe tikwanire.Une conscience yakakwana here? Just listen to yourself!
“perhaps start even prosecuting those involved in the murder and theft propogated …”
Would you say the same of Cecil John Rhodes and Ian Smith. Did you not build your economy by pilaging and stealling from over 120 So-called Common Wealth Countries-and isn’t that why they are called common-wealth, to support the British economy? Ko muneiko kwenyu.? chando? chinodyiwa?Mazimhino anonhuwa nhamo.Thats why muchinzi Vapambepfumi. Pillaging Rogue states.
” I, like most UK citizens, am working class, and sick of the amount of refugees we have to take and then get told by the middle classes we are not allowed to complain about it”
I am shocked! Ask the Barclay brothers when they were dragging harpless African slaves accross the pacific.Ask ian Smith’s grandchildren ;better still, ask Load Soames’ grave. Were you folks sick of the amount of slaves Britain had to take in? Unosemesa. U make me retch!
Zvino tiri kuda upfumi hwedu hwese hwamakapamba kubvira 1890 when you hoisted the Union Jack in Harare.
Kuzotiwo he-e hure he-e chii chii. Rhodes aiwe nemukadzi kana girlfriend zvayo? kukundwa naAdolf Hitler?
Suka lapa.Ka’pimp’ kemunhu.
envy you???? so why are millions of zimbabweans in the diaspora then if zim is such a rosy place? i honestly think some people don’t have common sense
@Yvon, I am neither a Zimbabwean nor a South African. The fact that 3 million Zimbabweans reside in South Africa does not rule out the fact that Zimbabwe is a rosy country.For your information, as a black South African, I will advise you to learn from the Zimbabweans and be courageous as them. In spite of all the negative reports by the biased western media from which most of you commenting on this forum make your judgment, that country has not ceased to inspire me. Zimbabwe can boast of the only independent nation in Southern Africa. In my opinion, the survey hereof is a rubbish and forms part of the agenda to discredit Mugabe in all his endeavors. If you keep relying on such or other media, then you will never know the truth about Zimbabwe. I challenge you Yvon Dube to travel to Zimbabwe and see how rosy it is when it comes to economic empowerment among indigenous people. Do not think that because 3 million Zim’ns out of a country of 13 million people live in South Africa make SA or its people much better than Zim. There are millions of South Africans distributed among countries such as United States, Canada, Australia, across Africa. Who is reporting the exodus among this South Africans. Why is the focus only on Zimbabweans because 3 million of its population resides in SA. Why should this even be an issue when it does not only make up 1/3 of the population Zim. Yvonne open your eyes. the white people only want you SA’ns to divert your attention towards the successes in Zim in order to avoid a similar scenario in SA that will strip them off their benefits. Shine your eyes Ms and stop being blind by Captitalism.
@quakou, why are you assuming that yvonne is from sa? incase you didn’t know, there are lots of dubes in zim, me included. and unlike you, i’ve grown up in zim all my life and i still live there. yvonne is right, there is nothing rosy about powercuts, water shortages, a poor health care system, disfunctionaleducation system, political repression and intimidation e.t.c… but maybe the reason why you think zim is such a rosy place is because you are used to all of the above wherever in africa it is you come from. So let those who actually know what is taking place on the ground in zim talk about zim. don’t bring your blind pan-africanist views to this forum and insult zimbabweanswho are suffering and dying because of this dictator, not to mention those who have already passed
That is what is meant by politics. You have to to strong enough guys to achieve what we want
Hey Chims2013, wake up china, Zimbabwe, SA et al are being recolonized by little yellow people as you sleep. Good luck dealing with them in 2030, you will be begging to have the whites back. And before you jump in, yes, I am a Zimbabwean. As I recall, RG Mugabe’s father is from Malawi!!
Zim ka1, i did my own survay and my results showed me that Mugabe is better than most African leaders. My results also showed me that anotengesa nyika yake ebenzi. Anokunbira kurangwa kwenyika yake ibenzi. Saka mapenzi ndaana Roy Bennet and his friends. I don’t see anything to brag about SA. Go to anglo, the senior executives there are either Whites or Black Zimbabweans. The black South Africans are working 2km underground. When is it going to change. Zimbabwe calls the shorts. Tichatora chete minda namakambani acho kusvikira tapfuma vatema. we set the trend and definately Africa will follow but zvichatorera Africa makore nokuti we are so brain washed.
must have been a very stupid survey then
Who are Soputh Africans to call Mugabe a villain. he is a true African hero, a pan African hero who falls in the likes of Julias Nyerere, kwamw Nkrummah, kaunda and ohters worthy of such a status. They call mandele a hero, who betrayed sadc and sent support to the drc rebells in 1998. he gave them riffles and was sending mecenaries to aid rebells yet they call him a hero, south Africans do not own anything to write home, they have been given free housing a lot of incentives to make the docile so that they wont see the real breadand butter issues. mugabe will remain a treu African hero i our view and we will write books about him for our next generations
The desperation never ceases to amaze me. Why concern about Mugabe heroism as if he said he wants to be one? Factually he is undoubtedly. He survived where others fell and still goes on. He defeated the colonialists and still does. He is a super hero not only in Africa but worldwide.
Mugabe might not be viewed as an African hero but he is definitely a Zimbabwean hero and will be buried at the Hero’s acre. The rest is imaterial
a hero who buthchers 20000 innocent ndebele men and women and children? a hero who beats his own people into submission just so that they can vote for him? you’re an idiot. go away and rid us of your stupidity
@ Yvon, From South Africa, where you come from, how many of your ancestors did the apartheid masters kill that you have just forgotten and then take their sides to point fingers at Mugabe. Who even cares if South Africans consider Mugabe an African hero. I have the impression that this survey was conducted among brainwashed Africans like Yvonne or the so-called white capitalist living in South Africa who see Mugabe as a threat to all the wealth stolen by their forefathers.
why worry about his heroism or lack thereof? are those who like the man not people worth of respect? if you dont like the man vote Tsvangirai! those who like him will vote him again. elections in zim are on done on the internet. Internet users are a minority. if the majority realy love Tsvangirai, they will stand for him. Try to dislodge Mugabe and see if his supporters will look and smile. Then , if you survive, you will tell which leader is dear to his followers.
I will not be contentious and make a mockery out of people’s pain and suffering. I am not here to entertain myself, but rather to draw attention to the plight of the people of Zimbabwe and the excruciating and inhumane circumstances in which they are being forced to live in.
If you believe otherwise and are able to live with your conscience – feel free. I am not prone to dogmatic or imperious behaviour. Quite the contrary.
‘Freedom of choice’ obviously carries varying connotations depending on which perspective we choose.
this is absolute hogwash. Statistically and politically. Mugabe himself said he is not fighting for heroism on the continent. in the first place who claimed that Mugabe is an African hero. why are you trying to test a non existent hypothesis? secondly if you want to conclude about Africa, sample Africa. South Africa will never be a sole true representative of Africa. Poor sampling methods!Thirdly Mugabe was elected by Zanu PF, why are you testing his popularity were he was not elected? Go and test it in his constituency. if you had come with a study that the majority of Zanu pf members don’t like the man, i would have finished reading your story. This internet accessibility thing nw exposes us to armature journalism!Hamba uyekufa wena siphukuphuku. leave the old man alone. he is our old man!he might not be exactly a hero to me but he is my country man, i identify with him. we are tired of people who think they can fight our battle through dubious narratives.
Read this very carefully guys and take a close look at yourself and the environment that you live in today. I would like you to realise why us zimbabweans have taken the root to fight this devil called imperialism through giving our beloved president a 61% resounding victory.I wish every black south African will see through Malema’s mind for an outright black south African emancipation in every aspect, the Zimbabwean way. To hell with your imperialistic survey which is meant to give a false impression about Zimbabwe.Just go through the following article by botha and you will understand why Zimbabwe even after President Mugabe will never be a colon again
Botha speech 1985:
THE FOLLOWING is a speech made by former South African President P.W. Botha to his Cabinet. This reprint was written by David G. Mailu for the Sunday Times, a South African newspaper, dated August 18, 1985.
“Pretoria has been made by the White mind for the White man. We are not obliged even the least to try to prove to anybody and to the Blacks that we are superior people. We have demonstrated that to the Blacks in a thousand and one ways. The Republic of South Africa that we know of today has not been created by wishful thinking. We have created it at the expense of intelligence, sweat and blood. Were they Afrikaners who tried to eliminate the Australian Aborigines? Are they Afrikaners who discriminate against Blacks and call them Nigge*rs in the States? Were they Afrikaners who started the slave trade? Where is the Black man appreciated? England discriminates against its Black and their “Sus” law is out to discipline the Blacks. Canada, France, Russia, and Japan all play their discrimination too. Why in the hell then is so much noise made about us? Why are they biased against us? I am simply trying to prove to you all that there is nothing unusual we are doing that the so called civilized worlds are not doing. We are simply an honest people who have come out aloud with a clear philosophy of how we want to live our own White life.
We do not pretend like other Whites that we like Blacks. The fact that, Blacks look like human beings and act like human beings do not necessarily make them sensible human beings. Hedgehogs are not porcupines and lizards are not crocodiles simply because they look alike. If God wanted us to be equal to the Blacks, he would have created us all of a uniform colour and intellect. But he created us differently: Whites, Blacks, Yellow, Rulers and the ruled. Intellectually, we are superior to the Blacks; that has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt over the years. I believe that the Afrikaner is an honest, God fearing person, who has demonstrated practically the right way of being. Nevertheless, it is comforting to know that behind the scenes, Europe, America, Canada, Australia -and all others are behind us in spite of what they say. For diplomatic relations, we all know what language should be used and where. To prove my point, Comrades, does anyone of you know a White country without an investment or interest in South Africa? Who buys our gold? Who buys our diamonds? Who trades with us? Who is helping us develop other nuclear weapon? The very truth is that we are their people and they are our people. It’s a big secret. The strength of our economy is backed by America, Britain, and Germany. It is our strong conviction, therefore, that the Black is the raw material for the White man. So Brothers and Sisters, let us join hands together to fight against this Black devil. I appeal to all Afrikaners to come out with any creative means of fighting this war. Surely God cannot forsake his own people whom we are. By now every one of us has seen it practically that the Blacks cannot rule themselves. Give them guns and they will kill each other. They are good in nothing else but making noise, dancing, marrying
many wives and indulging in sex. Let us all accept that the Black man is the symbol of poverty, mental inferiority, laziness and emotional incompetence. Isn’t it plausible, therefore that the White man is created to rule the Black man? Come to think of what would happen one day if you woke up and on the throne sat a Kaff*ir! Can you imagine what would happen to our women? Does anyone of you believe that the Blacks can rule this country?
Hence, we have good reasons to let them all-the Mandelas-rot in prison, and I think we should be commended for having kept them alive in spite of what we have at hand with which to finish them off. I wish to announce a number of new strategies that should be put to use to destroy this Black bug. We should now make use of the chemical weapon. Priority number one, we should not by all means allow any more increases of the Black population lest we be choked very soon. I have exciting news that our scientists have come with an efficient stuff. I am sending out more researchers to the field to identify as many venues as possible where the chemical weapons could be employed to combat any further population increases. The hospital is a very strategic opening, for example and should be fully utilized. The food supply channel should be used. We have developed excellent slow killing poisons and fertility destroyers. Our only fear is in case such stuff came in to their hands as they are bound to start using it against us if you care to think of the many Blacks working for us in our houses.
However, we are doing the best we can to make sure that the stuff remains strictly in our hands. Secondly, most Blacks are vulnerable to money inducements. I have set aside a special fund to exploit this venue. The old trick of divide and rule is still very valid today. Our experts should work day and night to set the Black man against his fellowman. His inferior sense of morals can be exploited beautifully. And here is a creature that lacks foresight. There is a need for us to combat him in long term projections that he cannot suspect. The average Black does not plan his life beyond a year: that stance, for example, should be exploited. My special department is already working round the clock to come out with a long-term operation blueprint. I am also sending a special request to all Afrikaner mothers to double their birth rate. It may be necessary too to set up a population boom industry by putting up centres where we employ and support fully White young men and women to produce children for the nation. We are also investigating the merit of uterus rentals as a possible means of speeding up the growth of our population through surrogate mothers.
For the time being, we should also engage a higher gear to make sure that Black men are separated from their women and fines imposed upon married wives who bear illegitimate children. I have a committee working on finding better methods of inciting Blacks against each other and encouraging murders among themselves. Murder cases among Blacks should bear very little punishment in order to encourage them.
My scientists have come up with a drug that could be smuggled into their brews to effect slow poisoning results and fertility destruction. Working through drinks and manufacturing of soft drinks geared to the Blacks, could promote the channels of reducing their population. Ours is not a war that we can use the atomic bomb to destroy the Blacks, so we must use our intelligence to affect this. The person-to-person encounter can be very effective.
As the records show that the Black man is dying to go to bed with the White woman, here is our unique opportunity. Our Sex Mercenary Squad should go out and camouflage with Apartheid Fighters while doing their operations quietly administering slow killing poison and fertility destroyers to those Blacks they thus befriend. We are modifying the Sex Mercenary Squad by introducing White men who should go for the militant Black woman and any other vulnerable Black woman. We have received a new supply of prostitutes from Europe and America who are desperate and too keen to take up the appointments.
My latest appeal is that the maternity hospital operations should be intensified. We are not paying those people to help bring Black babies to this world but to eliminate them on the very delivery moment. If this department worked very efficiently, a great deal could be achieved.
My Government has set aside a special fund for erecting more covert hospitals and clinics to promote this programme. Money can do anything for you. So while we have it, we should make the best use of it. In the meantime my beloved White citizens, do not take to heart what the world says, and don’t be ashamed of being called racists. I do not mind being called the architect and King of Apartheid. I shall not become a monkey simply because someone has called me a monkey. I will still remain your bright star,
His Excellency Botha. “
That was never written by, and therefore cannot be attributed to, P.W. Botha.
Nice try.
America invented the “public poling” and the “political Trends and Projections” etc etc. The central findings of a study, titled “Don’t Blame Us,” which the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press and American University released yesterday. It is based on one of the first comprehensive surveys of political consultants ever conducted, and its findings stunned some of the people who produced it. Democratic consultant Carville said “We are part of the blame-someone-else culture in spades,” he said. ” . . . .The only thing we run is our mouths.”
Republican Frank I. Luntz said he, too, agreed with some of the findings. “I think the biggest problem in politics today is the lack of substance,” he said.
But Marla E. Romash and Robert Squier, Democratic consultants, dissented. “Certainly, there are some bad apples in the bunch, but I don’t think that describes us,” Romash said as we design the concepts of survey taking which is obviously skewed to reach the findings to meet our intended goals”
Republican Eddie Mahe, who said he could not accept the survey’s findings, said: “It would be difficult to be more insulted.” Such surveys are intentionally designed to reach the conclusions we want to manipulate in our favor”
James A. Thurber, director of American University’s Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies, said he was struck by the “logical inconsistencies” of what the consultants said. “They say they trust the voters, but think that the voters are poorly informed,” he said “while we as cons
Conclusion: Who designed the survey and who wrote the questions for such surveys? This should shed a light to the instigators of such self-serving surveys. No one believes on such surveys to begin with except the ones who planned it and executed it so they get paid for their shabby work. South Africa survey is nothing but a farce, at best!
Brave, you say that one should test Mugabe’s popularity by visiting his constituency. If I recall, he was challenged by Ian Smith in the early 1980’s to walk down the streets in Mbare, side by side with Ian Smith but he refused. It would be interesting for Mugabe to walk down the streets of Mbare today on his own to test his popularity.
Zvipeche zvenyu vatsigiri vemhondi nevanobirira
Thanks Gwamhuni,your atticle will probably help the ignorant Africans.
Gwamhuni…the botha article from 1985 should be required reading by all black families worldwide..
Yvon should be the first to read the article with her SA compatriots who participated in that stupid survey. In the 21st century they still allow themselves to be driven by the tricks of capitalism.
What a stupid fellow. i can really see that common sense is not so common after all. South africa is a huge country with lots of people. who even told you she was part of the survey? some levels of idiocy know no bounds
@Quakou. I am NOT south african, and i did not take part in the survey. for you to make such unfounded assumptions is completely ridiculous. I completely agree with nmdj. you lack serious common sense. and this whole issue is not about capitalism or socialism or whatever else is out there, its about whether the zimbabwean people’s needs are being looked after. if the zimbabwean people were well looked after and had jobs, food, healthcare, housing e.t.c… noone would give a rats ass whether they are living in a capitalist country or otherwise. my suggerstion is that you get your head out of your ass and start using that inbetween your ears called a brain. its not that difficult
for the record, i’m a zimbabwean. start using your head and don’t be brainwashed by populist ideologies